If people wonder what I mean that the NT trumps the Old:
The New Testament exists because the Apostles were taught by Jesus to read the Old Testament through the lens that it pointed to Jesus.
Therefore, any Christian interpretation that departs from that ultimately departs from Christian interpretation.
How should we understand Israel? Look at Christ.
How should we understand grace? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the land? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the law? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the trajectory of the Old Testament? Look at Christ.
As the New Testament shows us: Jesus is the fulfilment of Joshua (Heb. 7) who through grace comes to take his people to the true promise land (his heavenly kingdom) and teach them to live under his law (1 Cor. 9:21). The Old Testament looks forward to this, the New Testament does not look back at the physical land, a fallen Joshua, and the law without Christ.
This is how the Apostles read the Old Testament, without question. So why do so many Christians today seek to throw out their way of reading the Bible? They have been Judaized.
First, there is the argument that God promised the land via Abraham in Genesis. This was for Abraham's descendants which include not only Jews but, Christians and followers of Islam for they are also from the house of Abraham. Not only that, Jews comprise a small fraction of those who descended from Abraham so should they not be the primary holders of said land?
Second, you mention 1 Samuel 8 regarding Rights of the King. But, the entire chapter talks of how the Israelites are NOT to seek earthly kings and kingdoms as these are rejections of God. Trying to create a government in Tel Aviv would certainly fall into this category.
Thirdly, it is the height of covetousness to demand the land that others have worked for centuries and claim you should possess it.
I'm also reminded that Jesus gave mankind a command to love others as He loves them. This hardly seems to be the attitude of Christian Zionist as it relates to this issue.
I'd just qualify that a bit by noting that it is Arab's specifically, not Muslim's generally who are Abraham's descendants. Islam is a faith that's includes many ethnicities, though it is a majority Arab faith.
I guess that would then mean that the Eastern European Jews that are the heart of the Zionist movement would also not be considered part of God's decree to Abraham? I can see that.
And let's also remind ourselves that Jesus was not a Jew in the sense of our present usage of that term - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2024/12/jesus-was-not-jew-by-biblicism-institute.html?m=0 - and when that fact slapped me in the face some years ago, my eyes were opened to DaSynagogue of Satan - always have been a slow learner - but it eventually seems to come to me because I'm a persistent seeker. :)
If people wonder what I mean that the NT trumps the Old:
The New Testament exists because the Apostles were taught by Jesus to read the Old Testament through the lens that it pointed to Jesus.
Therefore, any Christian interpretation that departs from that ultimately departs from Christian interpretation.
How should we understand Israel? Look at Christ.
How should we understand grace? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the land? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the law? Look at Christ.
How should we understand the trajectory of the Old Testament? Look at Christ.
As the New Testament shows us: Jesus is the fulfilment of Joshua (Heb. 7) who through grace comes to take his people to the true promise land (his heavenly kingdom) and teach them to live under his law (1 Cor. 9:21). The Old Testament looks forward to this, the New Testament does not look back at the physical land, a fallen Joshua, and the law without Christ.
This is how the Apostles read the Old Testament, without question. So why do so many Christians today seek to throw out their way of reading the Bible? They have been Judaized.
And may I add a few other points.
First, there is the argument that God promised the land via Abraham in Genesis. This was for Abraham's descendants which include not only Jews but, Christians and followers of Islam for they are also from the house of Abraham. Not only that, Jews comprise a small fraction of those who descended from Abraham so should they not be the primary holders of said land?
Second, you mention 1 Samuel 8 regarding Rights of the King. But, the entire chapter talks of how the Israelites are NOT to seek earthly kings and kingdoms as these are rejections of God. Trying to create a government in Tel Aviv would certainly fall into this category.
Thirdly, it is the height of covetousness to demand the land that others have worked for centuries and claim you should possess it.
I'm also reminded that Jesus gave mankind a command to love others as He loves them. This hardly seems to be the attitude of Christian Zionist as it relates to this issue.
I'd just qualify that a bit by noting that it is Arab's specifically, not Muslim's generally who are Abraham's descendants. Islam is a faith that's includes many ethnicities, though it is a majority Arab faith.
I guess that would then mean that the Eastern European Jews that are the heart of the Zionist movement would also not be considered part of God's decree to Abraham? I can see that.
And let's also remind ourselves that Jesus was not a Jew in the sense of our present usage of that term - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2024/12/jesus-was-not-jew-by-biblicism-institute.html?m=0 - and when that fact slapped me in the face some years ago, my eyes were opened to DaSynagogue of Satan - always have been a slow learner - but it eventually seems to come to me because I'm a persistent seeker. :)