Fascinating piece. Thank you! I have friends who I think subscribe to these beliefs, and now I better understand what drives their seemingly unshakable confidence that whatever the modern state called Israel does, it is good - a step on their path to The Rapture.
The vast majority of Christian Zionists (and evangelicals) know zip about their actual theology. It’s a folk religion for most of them. Picked up from slogans and Left Behind movies: “I stand 100% with Israel” they post in the comments of Facebook or Breitbart. Really? I stand 100% with Jesus. “God is not done with Israel!” You know what? God is also not done with Eskimos, Chinese, Germans, Hindus and yes even Arabs and Muslims (John 3:16). “Are you rapture ready?” Didn’t our Lord preach… Are you Kingdom ready? Nothing will change though until non-dispensationalists take over evangelical culture. So thank you for posting.
The church fathers clearly were idiots. If Marcion was not right then at least Apelles was. Sure there is one God, but he never commanded the genocides no matter what the OT says, those were commanded by the principalities and powers who Paul also says owns the ceremonial law (see Col 2). So the Jews don't worship God but rather the principalities and powers. Jesus even said that "No man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him" (i.e. nobody really knew the Father prior to Jesus' incarnation, they only knew a distortion mediated through the principalities and powers) and John saying "No man has ever seen God but the onlybegotten Son has declared him" means exactly what it sounds like, they saw the principalities and powers not God; John does not mean they didn't see the Father because it was the Son running around commanding genocides as the idiot church fathers decided.
I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. — Romans 11:25 NLT
The Earth has never had a population of gentiles as large as it currently does. It's more likely we're reaching the full number than not. Given that, Israel is legitimate. If Israel is legitimate I support a position similar to Zionism. Have a blessed day.
That is a false paraphrase. The Jews have a limited number as stated in Romans 9 verse 20something but Gentiles don't. The proper translation "fullness of the Gentiles" means the full inclusion of them into the church. Paul deluded himself by his love of his race into thinking their blindness would vanish when the Gentiles were fully accepted into the church. He was wrong, as it was only his personal opinion born from emotion for his people. But in Romans 9 he said the truth from God (quoting Isaiah) "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the seas only a remnant (small number) will be saved." His emotionalism for his ethnic people caused him to try to contradict that in Romans 11. But the NLT's false paraphrase of "fullness of the Gentiles" into "full number of Gentiles" is trying to reverse reality. In Romans 9 after stating only a remnant of Jews will be saved (an OT prophecy) he then cites another OT prophecy that "everywhere where it was said 'you are not my people' they will be called the people of the living God" and Paul recognizes this mean an UNliminited number of Gentiles will be saved. So there is only a full number of Jews, and it was reached by 70 AD. This is also why Revelation speaks of 144k from the tribes of Israel. All the Jews that would be saved were by 70 AD. Since then any Jew who converts only does so to subvert and infiltrate the church with (a) Zionism and/or (b) LGBTQP+.
Many thanks for the interesting and substantive comments. I could write a book in response, but won’t.
First, as a Christian who also believes in Israel’s right to exist as a state, and to defend itself, I have no problem admitting that there are serious problems in the Christian Zionist camp. However, the churches have a lot of problems outside of the Christian Zionist camp as well. The church is full of problems of many different sorts.
When it comes to dispensationalism, a twelve year old child who reads the Bible with saving faith is able to understand that God dealt with Jews differently under the Old Covenant of Moses than he does with us today under the New Covenant of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.
He would also have no trouble understanding that God dealt with Adam and Eve differently before and after the fall, and that he dealt with Abraham differently than he did the Jewish people under Moses.
Going too far beyond that can lead to problems – for example, saying that the Sermon on the Mount was spoken by Christ to the Jews before Pentecost, and so does not apply to Christians. This means, I suppose, that we are free to worry and be anxious about tomorrow, return evil for evil, look at women lustfully, and build our house upon the sand instead of upon the rock.
As to Revelation, the first three chapters are open to any spiritually minded Christian – though differences of interpretation are possible as in other biblical books.
Also, the last three chapters are very plain, though differences of interpretation are possible.
As to the intervening chapters, with the beasts, plagues, and trumpets, I have read through the whole book many times in reading the New Testament from cover to cover, and don’t approve of those who avoid Revelation altogether, thinking it is too hard. There are some things which God has provided for us to read, but we should not be too dogmatic about.
Personally, I think some Christians should spend less time on Revelation and more time on teachings pertaining to practical Christianity, and sanctification in daily life.
As to “Dispensationalism, which is more commonly known as Christian Zionism,” I would qualify as a Christian Zionist, since I believe not only in the right of Israel to exist, and to defend itself. I also believe that the return of the Jews to their biblical homeland is the work of God, which he will continue. But I base this on the literal fulfilment of Old Testament prophecies, and what has actually occurred in the world, not on any elaborate and speculative end times scenarios.
More specifically, I do not believe in a secret, hidden return of Christ for a pre-trib rapture, and do not claim to understand the seals and trumpets and beasts of Revelation. I believe there will be one return of Christ after the tribulation, which will be like lightning flashing from east to west, known and visible to all. The saints who are alive then will be caught up to meet him in the air, as the Bible plainly states, but after the tribulation. So I am not excitedly looking for signs of the coming tribulation in the expectation that all believers will be caught up out of it.
“We are not appointed to wrath,” as the Bible says. That means true Christians are not going to go to hell, but will be accepted on the day of judgment. In this life, we may go through suffering and tribulation, and it is an honor and a privilege to suffer for Christ.
So, I don’t go along with much that is popularly associated with Christian Zionism. The idea that the Jews have their own relationship with God and do not need salvation in Christ is plainly false teaching (meaning, lies) since all have sinned and there is none righteous, no not one, and there is no other name given under heaven whereby men can be saved.
Neither do I get caught up in tiresome and shallow exclamations of excitement every time there is a war in the Middle East. Jesus said, “There will be wars and rumors of wars,” but that we should not be concerned about those things.
Neither do I feel any obligation to support every Israeli Prime Minister and every Israeli action or policy. Even in Old Testament Israel, when God was directly working with the nation of Israel in extraordinary ways, there were wicked kings and wicked people. And we read in I John that “the whole world lieth in wickedness.” That includes Israel and the USA, and every other country on earth.
But, I do not believe that the Israelis are obligated (a) to lie down and allow themselves to be killed and slaughtered by Muslims or (b) to pack up and leave, and go back to Germany, Poland, Russia, America or wherever. With Gods help, they have built a modern nation in their ancestral homeland, and they are allowed to defend themselves.
I do believe that modern Israel has a role to play in God’s providence in the end times – but my spiritual life does not revolve around that. I am more concerned with living the Christian life in a way that is right and acceptable to God. Is not God allowed to use the nations as he sees fit? Did he not use England greatly in the past, and has he not used America in many significant ways, in spite of its many sins?
The fact that God used America and England does not mean that all Americans and Englishmen are guaranteed of salvation, or immune to the demands of the Second Covenant. But God does not deal only with saved people, while the unbelievers can ran amok completely beyond any divine control.
FDR and Churchill were not men of God – was the Lord prevented from using them for his purposes? No.
The Jews unquestionably were a chosen people in the Old Testament era, when they had light and instruction from God unknown to the rest of the world. And what is to prevent God from preserving them, and bringing them back to the land for another future use – not one that will exempt them from the demands of the New Covenant, but will contribute to the final completion of that Covenant when in the end of the age all true believers in Christ, Jew and Gentile, will be gathered together into one, with the wall of partition broken down between them?
Now, in the terms of the New Covenant, the spiritual children of Abraham by saving faith in Christ are the true children of God – but that does not mean God has cast away the Jewish people and has nothing more to do with them, as Paul said in Romans. God has not cast the Jewish people away.
God’s providence does not deal only with saved people. His hand is stretched out over all the earth, and if he used America or England for good ,or even Nazi Germany or ancient Babylon as instruments of his wrath he has the right to do so.
And if he is gathering the Jews back to their biblical homeland; if he is gathering together the dry bones and clothing them with sinews, flesh and skin so that at the right time he may breathe life into them, that does not affect our standing in Christ or detract from his salvation in any way.
And if the veil over the heart of the Jews is finally removed when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, and they are able to come to saving faith in Christ, that should be a matter of rejoicing for the church, not a matter of jealousy and recrimination. In God’s timing, the veil will be taken away (2 Corinthians 3:16).
This is not nonsense at all, but the plain teaching of the word of God. It has nothing to do with Christian Zionism, it has to do with believing what Paul wrote – that God has not cast the Jews away but has a further use for them. This does not mean they will be guaranteed of salvation because of their ethnicity, since God is not a respecter of persons. They will be able to disbelieve or believe as individuals, just as God’s pouring out of his Holy Spirit in the Great Awakening in colonial America did not mean that the British colonials were all guaranteed of salvation.
God can send his Holy Spirit in revival wherever and whenever he will – to Japan, Mexico, France, or to a reconstituted and revived state of Israel.
The primary problem with Christian Zionists is the inability to recognize the difference between biblical Israel and the modern state of Israel founded by atheists from Europe.
The Ashkenazim have no direct ethnic connection to biblical Hebrews. The Ashkenazim are converts, and this is even recognized in modern Israel, and I have seen and experienced this myself in Israel.
The Ashkenazim are not "defending" themselves. They invaded, and laid claim to, land that does not belong to them, and in the process, have murdered hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians, including destroying a number of ancient Christian churches, in furtherance of their supremacist goals.
Just focus on Christ and stop groveling in front of people who have nothing but open contempt for American Christians, and I've also experienced that in Israel as well.
More importantly, the historical line from the Diaspora of the Jews in the Roman Empire into western Europe (especially Germany and France), and then later into Eastern Europe is very clear and plain – a broad highway paved with huge amounts of historical evidence.
As to what you may have seen in Israel I have no idea. The Jews themselves have many different ideas of what it means to be Jewish, and may have negative feelings toward this or that group.
You say that “Ashkenazim are not 'defending' themselves,” but many Sephardic Jews also have no inclination to lie down and allow themselves to be slaughtered by Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian mullahs.
They laid claim to a land that does not belong to them? Did they take any land from Iran? What is Iran doing, expanding into Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Gaza? Does that land belong to them? Or are they motivated only by a Shiite love for their dear Sunni Palestinian brothers?
The Jews do have a claim to the land. It is their ancestral, biblical homeland – and how do you think the Muslim Arabs got it? They took it with fire and sword, and now lay a religious to claim to the land – that what once belonged to Islam can never be surrendered and must remain Muslim forever. This is why Muslim extremists are to this day claiming a divine right to Spain. Does that seem reasonable to you? Ask the Spanish what they think about it.
As to murdering hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians, that is pure fantasy (though you may sincerely believe it). And the worst persecution of Christians in the Middle East has come not from the Jews but the Muslims. They have driven out many Palestinian Christians with their Islamic supremacism.
Palestine was an underpopulated territory with plenty of room for more people – as its current population proves – yet the Palestinian leadership (not all the common Palestinians, but many of them too) tried to use force and violence to drive out the Jews from what had been Turkish, not Arab territory, for centuries.
Blind religious hatred is the main Islamic motivation behind these wars, and they have no right to say whether or not the Jews or anyone else can live in the land. And, you are not aware I suppose that many Palestinians moved into the country after WW1, when the British and the Jews brought Western standards of government, education, industry and agriculture into the territory, making life there much more desirable than anything that could be found in backward and underdeveloped Arabic countries. So many of these Palestinians already have a homeland – in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria where their immediate ancestors come from.
You mention Jewish supremacism. Do you know anything about Islamic supremacism? Did you see any angry Jewish mobs attacking Arab students in university demonstrations in America? Are Jews singling out Arabs in European cities as objects of hatred and violence? Do you know how the Arabs built such huge empire in the first place?
So many crimes and injustices all over the world, and it seems you care about nothing but Palestine. If the Arabs would stop trying to slaughter and exterminate the Jews, as they have tried to do many times, there would be peace.
And a Palestinian state. Is that what the world needs, one more Arab dictatorship? We have many of those already. If you think having Fatah and Hamas at each other’s throats, or either one of those bandit gangs acquiring power, would contribute to the stability of the region, think again.
As to focusing on Christ, please tell me how your support for Hamas and Fatah is standing for Christ. Please tell me how the hostility for Jews which you have for no one else on earth is standing for Christ?
I will stand for Christ in part by allowing God to take care of the Middle East, and if God himself has brought back the Jews to the land which he has given them, in fulfilment of many biblical prophecies, and established them there, and given them victory over their enemies who just want to kill them all – then I for one will not try to fight against God.
And Christians in Israel have more freedom to worship than they do in any other Arabic country.
As to Israelis having open contempt for American Christians, I visited Israel years ago and stayed there for three months, working as a volunteer on a kibbutz. I didn’t notice any hostility to me as a Christian. True, things may have intensified since then, due to an increase in Orthodox militancy against missionaries, I don’t know, but that says nothing about the Jewish right to the land.
And do you think God had nothing to do with the events of 1947-1949, 1967, 1973, and 2025? Do you believe God rules over the affairs of men? I do.
As to my groveling, saying that the Jews have the right to a state and the right to defend that state is hardly groveling. Do you say “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” meaning you are hoping that all of the Jews will be slaughtered or driven out of the country in real, not fake genocide, and in real, not fake ethnic cleansing?
If Hamas had accepted Israel instead of trying to destroy it, there would have been no war.
Your comment reveals a childishly superficial view of history and current events.
Genomic research has conclusively proven the Ashkenazim have little ethnic connection to the Levant. This is not even in dispute, except from folks like you who don't even know what genetic analysis is.
The rest of your rant is ahistorical nonsense. Mindlessly parroting Zionist mythology does not make you informed.
The Ashkenazim are an amalgamation of various peoples with no direct connection to real estate in the Middle East. Therefore, they have no claim to land there.
The Palestinians have always been there, being the direct descendants of the various tribes that lived in the area since ancient times. They were "arabized", so to speak, centuries ago, when muslims swept through all of Western Asia, many converting to Islam, but many remaining Christian.
The Zionists violently took land that did not belong to them, and murdered and displaced millions. The numbers both killed and displaced are not in dispute by serious sources, but you only listen to Zionist propaganda, which is a shield of lies and misinformation.
The Creator did not give converts to rabbinical Judaism from Eastern Europe any land anywhere, and the Zionists don't even believe that to begin with, and their own literature is quite clear on the matter.
Iran is shiite, not Sunni, and Iran is funding shiite factions and militias all over the Middle East, not "taking over".
You are a very typical American evangelical, woefully misinformed, and unwilling, or unable, to look reality in the eye and inform yourself as to the true nature of the problems in Palestine.
I know my comment will fly right over your head, because you wouldn't have commented as you have if you were a careful and discerning student of history.
Begin came from Eastern Europe – doesn’t he look Jewish?
Also, you can dismiss my assertion that the historical movement of Jews into Eastern Europe is a basic fact of history, but your hand waving dismissal is not any kind of a substantive refutation.
“Jews were invited to Poland in the mid-1300s, particularly during the reign of King Casimir the Great, around 1343. This invitation came after a period of persecution in Western Europe, and Jews sought refuge in Poland. While some sources mention earlier instances of Jewish settlement, the 14th century saw a significant influx of Jewish immigrants encouraged by Polish royalty.” [AI overview found by google search. I hope you don’t think the google search engine is controlled by the Jews].
The history of Jews in Europe, including their eastward movements, is well known and widely documented. Just dismissing this as Zionist propaganda has no weight or credibility.
As to genomic research, I care nothing about it. There are many kinds of junk science today. Many of the Jews in Eastern Europe spoke Hebrew along with Yiddish, studied the Bible and the Talmud, and were persecuted by their neighbors for their Jewishness, which they held to for centuries in spite of fierce persecutions.
Your historical and pseudo-scientific claims are completely bogus. Maybe you don’t even believe them yourself, but are just making propaganda. Of course, maybe you do believe them.
You say the genetic issue is not even in dispute – maybe not in your circles. Here is a link to an opposing view which more likely than not you will just dismiss unthinkingly.
“New Genetic Study Finds Ashkenazi Jewish Lineage Traces Back to Middle East
“The study, published in the journal Human Gene, found that the maternal and paternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews share a common Middle Eastern origin.”
PS I am not endorsing the article as infallible, just showing genetic analysis is a two way street.
You can assert my comments are ahistorical – but your assertion does not make it so. Are you mindlessly parroting anti-Zionist propaganda?
“The Ashkenazim are an amalgamation of various peoples with no direct connection to real estate in the Middle East. Therefore, they have no claim to land there.”
That is completely false. Their claim is an ancestral and biblical one. And if you claim religious considerations have no weight, than you have to nullify Muslim claims as well, which are based on Koranic considerations – unless you are a Muslim of course.
That the Palestinians have always been there is not true. Many of them moved into Palestine after WW1, when British administration and Jewish capital, labor and know how created many more opportunities for them than were available in neighboring countries like Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan.
The territory was controlled by Turkey for 400 years, without a peep of Palestinian nationalism from the people. There was never a Palestinian nation, and their cultural identity was based on local clans, citizenship in the Turkish empire, or Islamic, or membership by faith in the international community of believers called the ummah.
Moreover, in ancient times God gave the land to the Jews, and destroyed many of the local inhabitants, in his wrath, because of their centuries of wickedness. For further centuries it was a Jewish state, later two states, in a Jewish land, recognized and administered as such by the Romans.
The Islamic conquest – which by the way created a huge empire based on fire and sword – brought Islam into the region – meaning the Arab Muslim claim is solely one of conquest. That area has been conquered and reconquered so many times, that if you do not believe in God’s control over human affairs, then it becomes a matter of “might makes right.” The land belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it and hold it, if God is not in control. But God is in control, and he has not allowed the Arabs to drive the Jews out.
And why are you so obsessed with the Jews and Palestine?. Countless territories have been conquered and changed hands in history. Many new states have arisen since 1945. Many people have been displaced. Do you think only the Palestinians matter and no one else?
Saying the Jews murdered and displaced millions is a complete fiction. Your assertions to the contrary are nothing but anti-Zionist propaganda and have no historical weight. Of course you care nothing about the hundreds of thousands of Jews displaced from Arabic lands where they had lived for centuries.
Anyway, you can say whatever you want. God has preserved the Jewish people in fulfilment of his promise to Abraham. He has brought them back to their biblical homeland, established them in it, and given them victory over their enemies who sought only to destroy and massacre them. This is the work of God and all of your efforts against it will fail.
You speak of the Creator, and what he did or did not do. Just what is your concept of a creator? Who or what is your God? Do you believe he had nothing to do with what happened in 1947-49, 1967, 1973?
The Eastern European Jews were converts to rabbinical Judaism? I don’t believe you.
You say the creator did not give land to the Jews? There are many biblical prophecies to the contrary, prophecies which have been fulfilled in the real world.
As to Zionist literature, the Zionists were profoundly secular in many ways, and did not base their claim to the land primarily on the Bible, but on Jewish history, their historical presence in the land. But we read in Ezekiel 36 that God will bring the Jews back to the land in spite of their unbelief (vv. 17-23).
As to the fact of Iran being Shiite and not Sunni, I have lived in the Mideast for years (teaching English) and I know very well the Iranians are Shiites, that was just an oversight caused by typing in haste, the kind of thing I try to catch in proof reading, an obvious error. I changed it in the comments.
And you also omitted that Iran funded Hamas, which is Sunni, so it is not just funding Shiite factions. And as to Iran not “taking over,” their expansionist aims in the region have been well known and a matter of concern for a long time. Maybe you think Iran’s policy has been strictly charitable?
As to me being a very typical American evangelical, you are wrong there. I do not accept modern Bible versions, I am a member of no church, I see many doctrinal problems with American evangelicalism, and keep my distance from it.
I believe it is you who is “woefully misinformed, and unwilling, or unable, to look reality in the eye and inform yourself as to the true nature of the problems in Palestine.”
Palestine was seriously underpopulated in 1900, as the flourishing of a vastly increased population today now proves. The Jews had every right to come to a backward and neglected corner of the Turkish empire and purchase land legally that no one wanted and was considered to be worthless.
As the population increased, the Arabs began to fear they would lose their dominant position and resorted to violence. They rejected the UN compromise and sought to drive the Jews out or kill them. They started a war and they lost. They lost in 1947-49, 1967, and 1973 because it was not the will of God for the Arabs to practice ethnic cleansing and genocide and slaughter all of the Jews so they could have another dismal and oppressive Arab state (of which there are so many already).
Furthermore, I believe more Jews are going to come from the West, and that Israel will expand according to the will of God. And your Substack posts will not affect this in any way, nor will mine.
JK - "A retired English teacher, I have an interest in the intersection of religion (Christian) and current culture and events." - I read your comment, so you might be interested in - www.crushlimbraw.com - and the link to DaLimbraw Library - good hunting!
I noticed on the introductory page of your website you stated "As to Christ’s instructions to ‘make disciples of all nations’, well, that can always be explained away as saving souls. I am speaking on this topic from personal experience. I was one of them for 20 some years. "
So you were a Christian for some time, but then gave up on it?
About the article The Alliance Made in Hell? I have never paid any attention to Nelson Darby and Dispensationalism. I do not believe in the pre-trib rapture, but do not think that Darby is the sole reason for the weakness and passivity of America's churches. There are many reasons for it - decline in basic doctrines for one thing, and lack of seriousness about living the Christian life for another.
I looked at some of your library's articles and disagree with you about Israel. I believe the modern state is a fulfilment of biblical prophecy, and that has nothing to do with Darby and dispensationalism. It has to do with (a) many Old Testament prophecies talking about how God will expel the Jews from the land and eventually bring them back to the land, permanently, not to be uprooted again, and (b) what has actually happened. I believe God governs the nations, and the survival of the Jews as well as their return to the biblical homeland is the work of God.
Obviously, much more could be said about this, but I am interested in your experiences with Christianity - if and why you abandoned it, and what you currently believe.
Personally, I believe America is headed for a collision course with the wrath of God due to its being a wicked and ungodly nation, that no President can change or solve.
Not sure how you concluded that leaving premillenialism equated to abandoning Christianity, as you seem to have assumed. That is certainly not the case here at all.
As to the Jews - who they are and who they are not - is explained in multiple articles by more than one author in DaLimbraw Library. History alone shows that today's Jews are NOT Old Testament Israel - in addition to what took place in 70 AD. Example: Jesus was not a Jew - He was a Judahite - the term Jew has essentially lost any definitive meaning because there were 12 tribes in Israel. Moses was not a Jew - you can dig deeper here in DLL or many other sources.
"As to Christ’s instructions to ‘make disciples of all nations’, well, that can always be explained away as saving souls. I am speaking on this topic from personal experience. I was one of them for 20 some years."
Your comment did not specify premillennialism, but you did mention Evangelicalism in the previous paragraph, and not all Evangelicals are premillenialists by any means. So it was not at all clear who you meant by “them” in “I was one of them.”
Hence, I asked for clarification, as indicated by my use of a question mark.
I did look at the two religious categories on your website, Religion and Christian Action Project, and saw some attacks on Jews and Zionism, but nothing about salvation from sin through faith in Christ, or living the Christian life in truth and holiness and love for others. So that also gave me reason to assume you had abandoned Christianity entirely – but I did ask for clarification.
So, I ask you again, what sort of religious faith do you represent? Of course, you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but the Bible says “Always be ready to give an account for the hope that is in you.”
I believe your articles about Judaism are mistaken. Today’s Jews are the direct descendants of Old Testament Jews, with some intermarrying along the way, as is recorded in the Old Testament.
And what took place in 70 AD? God destroyed the Temple, and scattered the Jews abroad in his wrath, as he did in 586 BC. That was not the end of Judaism and don’t know why you think the destruction of the Temple shows that the Jews of today are not really Jews.
As to Jesus not being a Jew but a Judahite, such a distinction is nowhere mentioned in the Bible and hence completely irrelevant when it comes to discussing Christ. It does say that Paul spoke Hebrew (Acts 21:40), and Christ spoke Hebrew when he appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 26:14).
There are many forms of evil in America and in the world today that have nothing to do with the Jews. If the Americans have allowed their constitutional republic to be undermined by immorality and secular unbelief, that is not the fault of the Jews.
I didn’t look at your other links carefully. As to “synagogue of Satan,” many false and ungodly Christian churches today are synagogues of Satan, or churches of Satan if you prefer.
Your obsession with Jews has nothing at all to do with scriptural Christianity.
Debating 'he said-she said-pissing contests' on various minutiae was never the plan - I have no interest or the time for it - and I don't spoon feed - DaLimbraw Library is for those who are willing to dig into anything that might challenge their present knowledge and understanding - that's how I learned to accept that my take on any given matter might be untrue - and much of it was.....all of it came from what others had written on their research - it's a process of discovery - and it never ends until our demise.
"I did look at the two religious categories on your website, Religion and Christian Action Project, and saw some attacks on Jews and Zionism, but nothing about salvation from sin through faith in Christ, or living the Christian life in truth and holiness and love for others. So that also gave me reason to assume you had abandoned Christianity entirely – but I did ask for clarification.
You need to worry less about the sinister and evil Zionists and more about what you will say to God on the day of judgment after the resurrection from the dead.
Then the focus will be on us as individuals, what we said and did, not on Zionism and Palestine.
But if you are not interested in discussing the destiny of your immortal soul and would rather obsess about Jews, there is nothing I can do about it.
Fascinating piece. Thank you! I have friends who I think subscribe to these beliefs, and now I better understand what drives their seemingly unshakable confidence that whatever the modern state called Israel does, it is good - a step on their path to The Rapture.
I found you because Vox Day quoted you: https://voxday.net/2025/06/28/confessions-of-an-ex-christian-zionist/
The vast majority of Christian Zionists (and evangelicals) know zip about their actual theology. It’s a folk religion for most of them. Picked up from slogans and Left Behind movies: “I stand 100% with Israel” they post in the comments of Facebook or Breitbart. Really? I stand 100% with Jesus. “God is not done with Israel!” You know what? God is also not done with Eskimos, Chinese, Germans, Hindus and yes even Arabs and Muslims (John 3:16). “Are you rapture ready?” Didn’t our Lord preach… Are you Kingdom ready? Nothing will change though until non-dispensationalists take over evangelical culture. So thank you for posting.
"Code" = "Secret Knowledge"
Gnosticism is a hard heresy to eradicate.
Gospel & Kingdom is an amazing book. Recently acquired a fresh copy so my teenage kids can read it
In essence - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2021/03/in-essenceit-always-wasand-still-isa.html?m=0 - it always was and is now.....war on Christ!
The church fathers clearly were idiots. If Marcion was not right then at least Apelles was. Sure there is one God, but he never commanded the genocides no matter what the OT says, those were commanded by the principalities and powers who Paul also says owns the ceremonial law (see Col 2). So the Jews don't worship God but rather the principalities and powers. Jesus even said that "No man knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him" (i.e. nobody really knew the Father prior to Jesus' incarnation, they only knew a distortion mediated through the principalities and powers) and John saying "No man has ever seen God but the onlybegotten Son has declared him" means exactly what it sounds like, they saw the principalities and powers not God; John does not mean they didn't see the Father because it was the Son running around commanding genocides as the idiot church fathers decided.
I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud about yourselves. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. — Romans 11:25 NLT
The Earth has never had a population of gentiles as large as it currently does. It's more likely we're reaching the full number than not. Given that, Israel is legitimate. If Israel is legitimate I support a position similar to Zionism. Have a blessed day.
That is a false paraphrase. The Jews have a limited number as stated in Romans 9 verse 20something but Gentiles don't. The proper translation "fullness of the Gentiles" means the full inclusion of them into the church. Paul deluded himself by his love of his race into thinking their blindness would vanish when the Gentiles were fully accepted into the church. He was wrong, as it was only his personal opinion born from emotion for his people. But in Romans 9 he said the truth from God (quoting Isaiah) "Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the seas only a remnant (small number) will be saved." His emotionalism for his ethnic people caused him to try to contradict that in Romans 11. But the NLT's false paraphrase of "fullness of the Gentiles" into "full number of Gentiles" is trying to reverse reality. In Romans 9 after stating only a remnant of Jews will be saved (an OT prophecy) he then cites another OT prophecy that "everywhere where it was said 'you are not my people' they will be called the people of the living God" and Paul recognizes this mean an UNliminited number of Gentiles will be saved. So there is only a full number of Jews, and it was reached by 70 AD. This is also why Revelation speaks of 144k from the tribes of Israel. All the Jews that would be saved were by 70 AD. Since then any Jew who converts only does so to subvert and infiltrate the church with (a) Zionism and/or (b) LGBTQP+.
Many thanks for the interesting and substantive comments. I could write a book in response, but won’t.
First, as a Christian who also believes in Israel’s right to exist as a state, and to defend itself, I have no problem admitting that there are serious problems in the Christian Zionist camp. However, the churches have a lot of problems outside of the Christian Zionist camp as well. The church is full of problems of many different sorts.
When it comes to dispensationalism, a twelve year old child who reads the Bible with saving faith is able to understand that God dealt with Jews differently under the Old Covenant of Moses than he does with us today under the New Covenant of salvation by grace through faith in Christ.
He would also have no trouble understanding that God dealt with Adam and Eve differently before and after the fall, and that he dealt with Abraham differently than he did the Jewish people under Moses.
Going too far beyond that can lead to problems – for example, saying that the Sermon on the Mount was spoken by Christ to the Jews before Pentecost, and so does not apply to Christians. This means, I suppose, that we are free to worry and be anxious about tomorrow, return evil for evil, look at women lustfully, and build our house upon the sand instead of upon the rock.
As to Revelation, the first three chapters are open to any spiritually minded Christian – though differences of interpretation are possible as in other biblical books.
Also, the last three chapters are very plain, though differences of interpretation are possible.
As to the intervening chapters, with the beasts, plagues, and trumpets, I have read through the whole book many times in reading the New Testament from cover to cover, and don’t approve of those who avoid Revelation altogether, thinking it is too hard. There are some things which God has provided for us to read, but we should not be too dogmatic about.
Personally, I think some Christians should spend less time on Revelation and more time on teachings pertaining to practical Christianity, and sanctification in daily life.
As to “Dispensationalism, which is more commonly known as Christian Zionism,” I would qualify as a Christian Zionist, since I believe not only in the right of Israel to exist, and to defend itself. I also believe that the return of the Jews to their biblical homeland is the work of God, which he will continue. But I base this on the literal fulfilment of Old Testament prophecies, and what has actually occurred in the world, not on any elaborate and speculative end times scenarios.
More specifically, I do not believe in a secret, hidden return of Christ for a pre-trib rapture, and do not claim to understand the seals and trumpets and beasts of Revelation. I believe there will be one return of Christ after the tribulation, which will be like lightning flashing from east to west, known and visible to all. The saints who are alive then will be caught up to meet him in the air, as the Bible plainly states, but after the tribulation. So I am not excitedly looking for signs of the coming tribulation in the expectation that all believers will be caught up out of it.
“We are not appointed to wrath,” as the Bible says. That means true Christians are not going to go to hell, but will be accepted on the day of judgment. In this life, we may go through suffering and tribulation, and it is an honor and a privilege to suffer for Christ.
So, I don’t go along with much that is popularly associated with Christian Zionism. The idea that the Jews have their own relationship with God and do not need salvation in Christ is plainly false teaching (meaning, lies) since all have sinned and there is none righteous, no not one, and there is no other name given under heaven whereby men can be saved.
Neither do I get caught up in tiresome and shallow exclamations of excitement every time there is a war in the Middle East. Jesus said, “There will be wars and rumors of wars,” but that we should not be concerned about those things.
Neither do I feel any obligation to support every Israeli Prime Minister and every Israeli action or policy. Even in Old Testament Israel, when God was directly working with the nation of Israel in extraordinary ways, there were wicked kings and wicked people. And we read in I John that “the whole world lieth in wickedness.” That includes Israel and the USA, and every other country on earth.
But, I do not believe that the Israelis are obligated (a) to lie down and allow themselves to be killed and slaughtered by Muslims or (b) to pack up and leave, and go back to Germany, Poland, Russia, America or wherever. With Gods help, they have built a modern nation in their ancestral homeland, and they are allowed to defend themselves.
I do believe that modern Israel has a role to play in God’s providence in the end times – but my spiritual life does not revolve around that. I am more concerned with living the Christian life in a way that is right and acceptable to God. Is not God allowed to use the nations as he sees fit? Did he not use England greatly in the past, and has he not used America in many significant ways, in spite of its many sins?
The fact that God used America and England does not mean that all Americans and Englishmen are guaranteed of salvation, or immune to the demands of the Second Covenant. But God does not deal only with saved people, while the unbelievers can ran amok completely beyond any divine control.
FDR and Churchill were not men of God – was the Lord prevented from using them for his purposes? No.
The Jews unquestionably were a chosen people in the Old Testament era, when they had light and instruction from God unknown to the rest of the world. And what is to prevent God from preserving them, and bringing them back to the land for another future use – not one that will exempt them from the demands of the New Covenant, but will contribute to the final completion of that Covenant when in the end of the age all true believers in Christ, Jew and Gentile, will be gathered together into one, with the wall of partition broken down between them?
Now, in the terms of the New Covenant, the spiritual children of Abraham by saving faith in Christ are the true children of God – but that does not mean God has cast away the Jewish people and has nothing more to do with them, as Paul said in Romans. God has not cast the Jewish people away.
God’s providence does not deal only with saved people. His hand is stretched out over all the earth, and if he used America or England for good ,or even Nazi Germany or ancient Babylon as instruments of his wrath he has the right to do so.
And if he is gathering the Jews back to their biblical homeland; if he is gathering together the dry bones and clothing them with sinews, flesh and skin so that at the right time he may breathe life into them, that does not affect our standing in Christ or detract from his salvation in any way.
And if the veil over the heart of the Jews is finally removed when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, and they are able to come to saving faith in Christ, that should be a matter of rejoicing for the church, not a matter of jealousy and recrimination. In God’s timing, the veil will be taken away (2 Corinthians 3:16).
This is not nonsense at all, but the plain teaching of the word of God. It has nothing to do with Christian Zionism, it has to do with believing what Paul wrote – that God has not cast the Jews away but has a further use for them. This does not mean they will be guaranteed of salvation because of their ethnicity, since God is not a respecter of persons. They will be able to disbelieve or believe as individuals, just as God’s pouring out of his Holy Spirit in the Great Awakening in colonial America did not mean that the British colonials were all guaranteed of salvation.
God can send his Holy Spirit in revival wherever and whenever he will – to Japan, Mexico, France, or to a reconstituted and revived state of Israel.
The primary problem with Christian Zionists is the inability to recognize the difference between biblical Israel and the modern state of Israel founded by atheists from Europe.
The Ashkenazim have no direct ethnic connection to biblical Hebrews. The Ashkenazim are converts, and this is even recognized in modern Israel, and I have seen and experienced this myself in Israel.
The Ashkenazim are not "defending" themselves. They invaded, and laid claim to, land that does not belong to them, and in the process, have murdered hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians, including destroying a number of ancient Christian churches, in furtherance of their supremacist goals.
Just focus on Christ and stop groveling in front of people who have nothing but open contempt for American Christians, and I've also experienced that in Israel as well.
I think you are completely mistaken to claim that “The Ashkenazim have no direct ethnic connection to biblical Hebrews.” Here is a link to a photo of Menachem Begin, who was born in Eastern Europe. Look at his stereotypically Jewish features. https://www.historyforsale.com/prime-minister-menachem-begin-israel-autographed-signed-photograph/dc258847
More importantly, the historical line from the Diaspora of the Jews in the Roman Empire into western Europe (especially Germany and France), and then later into Eastern Europe is very clear and plain – a broad highway paved with huge amounts of historical evidence.
As to what you may have seen in Israel I have no idea. The Jews themselves have many different ideas of what it means to be Jewish, and may have negative feelings toward this or that group.
You say that “Ashkenazim are not 'defending' themselves,” but many Sephardic Jews also have no inclination to lie down and allow themselves to be slaughtered by Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian mullahs.
They laid claim to a land that does not belong to them? Did they take any land from Iran? What is Iran doing, expanding into Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Gaza? Does that land belong to them? Or are they motivated only by a Shiite love for their dear Sunni Palestinian brothers?
The Jews do have a claim to the land. It is their ancestral, biblical homeland – and how do you think the Muslim Arabs got it? They took it with fire and sword, and now lay a religious to claim to the land – that what once belonged to Islam can never be surrendered and must remain Muslim forever. This is why Muslim extremists are to this day claiming a divine right to Spain. Does that seem reasonable to you? Ask the Spanish what they think about it.
As to murdering hundreds of thousands of Muslims and Christians, that is pure fantasy (though you may sincerely believe it). And the worst persecution of Christians in the Middle East has come not from the Jews but the Muslims. They have driven out many Palestinian Christians with their Islamic supremacism.
Palestine was an underpopulated territory with plenty of room for more people – as its current population proves – yet the Palestinian leadership (not all the common Palestinians, but many of them too) tried to use force and violence to drive out the Jews from what had been Turkish, not Arab territory, for centuries.
Blind religious hatred is the main Islamic motivation behind these wars, and they have no right to say whether or not the Jews or anyone else can live in the land. And, you are not aware I suppose that many Palestinians moved into the country after WW1, when the British and the Jews brought Western standards of government, education, industry and agriculture into the territory, making life there much more desirable than anything that could be found in backward and underdeveloped Arabic countries. So many of these Palestinians already have a homeland – in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria where their immediate ancestors come from.
You mention Jewish supremacism. Do you know anything about Islamic supremacism? Did you see any angry Jewish mobs attacking Arab students in university demonstrations in America? Are Jews singling out Arabs in European cities as objects of hatred and violence? Do you know how the Arabs built such huge empire in the first place?
So many crimes and injustices all over the world, and it seems you care about nothing but Palestine. If the Arabs would stop trying to slaughter and exterminate the Jews, as they have tried to do many times, there would be peace.
And a Palestinian state. Is that what the world needs, one more Arab dictatorship? We have many of those already. If you think having Fatah and Hamas at each other’s throats, or either one of those bandit gangs acquiring power, would contribute to the stability of the region, think again.
As to focusing on Christ, please tell me how your support for Hamas and Fatah is standing for Christ. Please tell me how the hostility for Jews which you have for no one else on earth is standing for Christ?
I will stand for Christ in part by allowing God to take care of the Middle East, and if God himself has brought back the Jews to the land which he has given them, in fulfilment of many biblical prophecies, and established them there, and given them victory over their enemies who just want to kill them all – then I for one will not try to fight against God.
And Christians in Israel have more freedom to worship than they do in any other Arabic country.
As to Israelis having open contempt for American Christians, I visited Israel years ago and stayed there for three months, working as a volunteer on a kibbutz. I didn’t notice any hostility to me as a Christian. True, things may have intensified since then, due to an increase in Orthodox militancy against missionaries, I don’t know, but that says nothing about the Jewish right to the land.
And do you think God had nothing to do with the events of 1947-1949, 1967, 1973, and 2025? Do you believe God rules over the affairs of men? I do.
As to my groveling, saying that the Jews have the right to a state and the right to defend that state is hardly groveling. Do you say “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” meaning you are hoping that all of the Jews will be slaughtered or driven out of the country in real, not fake genocide, and in real, not fake ethnic cleansing?
If Hamas had accepted Israel instead of trying to destroy it, there would have been no war.
Your comment reveals a childishly superficial view of history and current events.
Genomic research has conclusively proven the Ashkenazim have little ethnic connection to the Levant. This is not even in dispute, except from folks like you who don't even know what genetic analysis is.
The rest of your rant is ahistorical nonsense. Mindlessly parroting Zionist mythology does not make you informed.
The Ashkenazim are an amalgamation of various peoples with no direct connection to real estate in the Middle East. Therefore, they have no claim to land there.
The Palestinians have always been there, being the direct descendants of the various tribes that lived in the area since ancient times. They were "arabized", so to speak, centuries ago, when muslims swept through all of Western Asia, many converting to Islam, but many remaining Christian.
The Zionists violently took land that did not belong to them, and murdered and displaced millions. The numbers both killed and displaced are not in dispute by serious sources, but you only listen to Zionist propaganda, which is a shield of lies and misinformation.
The Creator did not give converts to rabbinical Judaism from Eastern Europe any land anywhere, and the Zionists don't even believe that to begin with, and their own literature is quite clear on the matter.
Iran is shiite, not Sunni, and Iran is funding shiite factions and militias all over the Middle East, not "taking over".
You are a very typical American evangelical, woefully misinformed, and unwilling, or unable, to look reality in the eye and inform yourself as to the true nature of the problems in Palestine.
I know my comment will fly right over your head, because you wouldn't have commented as you have if you were a careful and discerning student of history.
I found your response to be hopelessly wrong.
Begin came from Eastern Europe – doesn’t he look Jewish?
Also, you can dismiss my assertion that the historical movement of Jews into Eastern Europe is a basic fact of history, but your hand waving dismissal is not any kind of a substantive refutation.
“Jews were invited to Poland in the mid-1300s, particularly during the reign of King Casimir the Great, around 1343. This invitation came after a period of persecution in Western Europe, and Jews sought refuge in Poland. While some sources mention earlier instances of Jewish settlement, the 14th century saw a significant influx of Jewish immigrants encouraged by Polish royalty.” [AI overview found by google search. I hope you don’t think the google search engine is controlled by the Jews].
The history of Jews in Europe, including their eastward movements, is well known and widely documented. Just dismissing this as Zionist propaganda has no weight or credibility.
As to genomic research, I care nothing about it. There are many kinds of junk science today. Many of the Jews in Eastern Europe spoke Hebrew along with Yiddish, studied the Bible and the Talmud, and were persecuted by their neighbors for their Jewishness, which they held to for centuries in spite of fierce persecutions.
Your historical and pseudo-scientific claims are completely bogus. Maybe you don’t even believe them yourself, but are just making propaganda. Of course, maybe you do believe them.
You say the genetic issue is not even in dispute – maybe not in your circles. Here is a link to an opposing view which more likely than not you will just dismiss unthinkingly.
“New Genetic Study Finds Ashkenazi Jewish Lineage Traces Back to Middle East
“The study, published in the journal Human Gene, found that the maternal and paternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews share a common Middle Eastern origin.”
https://substack.com/home/post/p-167250017
PS I am not endorsing the article as infallible, just showing genetic analysis is a two way street.
You can assert my comments are ahistorical – but your assertion does not make it so. Are you mindlessly parroting anti-Zionist propaganda?
“The Ashkenazim are an amalgamation of various peoples with no direct connection to real estate in the Middle East. Therefore, they have no claim to land there.”
That is completely false. Their claim is an ancestral and biblical one. And if you claim religious considerations have no weight, than you have to nullify Muslim claims as well, which are based on Koranic considerations – unless you are a Muslim of course.
That the Palestinians have always been there is not true. Many of them moved into Palestine after WW1, when British administration and Jewish capital, labor and know how created many more opportunities for them than were available in neighboring countries like Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan.
The territory was controlled by Turkey for 400 years, without a peep of Palestinian nationalism from the people. There was never a Palestinian nation, and their cultural identity was based on local clans, citizenship in the Turkish empire, or Islamic, or membership by faith in the international community of believers called the ummah.
Moreover, in ancient times God gave the land to the Jews, and destroyed many of the local inhabitants, in his wrath, because of their centuries of wickedness. For further centuries it was a Jewish state, later two states, in a Jewish land, recognized and administered as such by the Romans.
The Islamic conquest – which by the way created a huge empire based on fire and sword – brought Islam into the region – meaning the Arab Muslim claim is solely one of conquest. That area has been conquered and reconquered so many times, that if you do not believe in God’s control over human affairs, then it becomes a matter of “might makes right.” The land belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it and hold it, if God is not in control. But God is in control, and he has not allowed the Arabs to drive the Jews out.
And why are you so obsessed with the Jews and Palestine?. Countless territories have been conquered and changed hands in history. Many new states have arisen since 1945. Many people have been displaced. Do you think only the Palestinians matter and no one else?
Saying the Jews murdered and displaced millions is a complete fiction. Your assertions to the contrary are nothing but anti-Zionist propaganda and have no historical weight. Of course you care nothing about the hundreds of thousands of Jews displaced from Arabic lands where they had lived for centuries.
Anyway, you can say whatever you want. God has preserved the Jewish people in fulfilment of his promise to Abraham. He has brought them back to their biblical homeland, established them in it, and given them victory over their enemies who sought only to destroy and massacre them. This is the work of God and all of your efforts against it will fail.
You speak of the Creator, and what he did or did not do. Just what is your concept of a creator? Who or what is your God? Do you believe he had nothing to do with what happened in 1947-49, 1967, 1973?
The Eastern European Jews were converts to rabbinical Judaism? I don’t believe you.
You say the creator did not give land to the Jews? There are many biblical prophecies to the contrary, prophecies which have been fulfilled in the real world.
As to Zionist literature, the Zionists were profoundly secular in many ways, and did not base their claim to the land primarily on the Bible, but on Jewish history, their historical presence in the land. But we read in Ezekiel 36 that God will bring the Jews back to the land in spite of their unbelief (vv. 17-23).
As to the fact of Iran being Shiite and not Sunni, I have lived in the Mideast for years (teaching English) and I know very well the Iranians are Shiites, that was just an oversight caused by typing in haste, the kind of thing I try to catch in proof reading, an obvious error. I changed it in the comments.
And you also omitted that Iran funded Hamas, which is Sunni, so it is not just funding Shiite factions. And as to Iran not “taking over,” their expansionist aims in the region have been well known and a matter of concern for a long time. Maybe you think Iran’s policy has been strictly charitable?
As to me being a very typical American evangelical, you are wrong there. I do not accept modern Bible versions, I am a member of no church, I see many doctrinal problems with American evangelicalism, and keep my distance from it.
I believe it is you who is “woefully misinformed, and unwilling, or unable, to look reality in the eye and inform yourself as to the true nature of the problems in Palestine.”
Palestine was seriously underpopulated in 1900, as the flourishing of a vastly increased population today now proves. The Jews had every right to come to a backward and neglected corner of the Turkish empire and purchase land legally that no one wanted and was considered to be worthless.
As the population increased, the Arabs began to fear they would lose their dominant position and resorted to violence. They rejected the UN compromise and sought to drive the Jews out or kill them. They started a war and they lost. They lost in 1947-49, 1967, and 1973 because it was not the will of God for the Arabs to practice ethnic cleansing and genocide and slaughter all of the Jews so they could have another dismal and oppressive Arab state (of which there are so many already).
Furthermore, I believe more Jews are going to come from the West, and that Israel will expand according to the will of God. And your Substack posts will not affect this in any way, nor will mine.
By the way, what do you think of Jesus Christ?
JK - "A retired English teacher, I have an interest in the intersection of religion (Christian) and current culture and events." - I read your comment, so you might be interested in - www.crushlimbraw.com - and the link to DaLimbraw Library - good hunting!
I noticed on the introductory page of your website you stated "As to Christ’s instructions to ‘make disciples of all nations’, well, that can always be explained away as saving souls. I am speaking on this topic from personal experience. I was one of them for 20 some years. "
So you were a Christian for some time, but then gave up on it?
About the article The Alliance Made in Hell? I have never paid any attention to Nelson Darby and Dispensationalism. I do not believe in the pre-trib rapture, but do not think that Darby is the sole reason for the weakness and passivity of America's churches. There are many reasons for it - decline in basic doctrines for one thing, and lack of seriousness about living the Christian life for another.
I looked at some of your library's articles and disagree with you about Israel. I believe the modern state is a fulfilment of biblical prophecy, and that has nothing to do with Darby and dispensationalism. It has to do with (a) many Old Testament prophecies talking about how God will expel the Jews from the land and eventually bring them back to the land, permanently, not to be uprooted again, and (b) what has actually happened. I believe God governs the nations, and the survival of the Jews as well as their return to the biblical homeland is the work of God.
Obviously, much more could be said about this, but I am interested in your experiences with Christianity - if and why you abandoned it, and what you currently believe.
Personally, I believe America is headed for a collision course with the wrath of God due to its being a wicked and ungodly nation, that no President can change or solve.
Not sure how you concluded that leaving premillenialism equated to abandoning Christianity, as you seem to have assumed. That is certainly not the case here at all.
As to the Jews - who they are and who they are not - is explained in multiple articles by more than one author in DaLimbraw Library. History alone shows that today's Jews are NOT Old Testament Israel - in addition to what took place in 70 AD. Example: Jesus was not a Jew - He was a Judahite - the term Jew has essentially lost any definitive meaning because there were 12 tribes in Israel. Moses was not a Jew - you can dig deeper here in DLL or many other sources.
Judaism = DaSynagogue ofSatan > Zionism Today's Jews are NOT Ancient Israel! From DaLimbraw Library: Judaism - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Judaism&updated-max=2024-05-28T10:30:00-07:00&max-results=20&by-date=false&m=1
DaSynagogue of Satan (DSOS) - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Synagogue+of+Satan+&m=1 - Zionism - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/search?q=Zionism&updated-max=2019-10-12T12:49:00-07:00&max-results=20&by-date=false&m=1
Good hunting!
As I said in my previous comment, you stated
"As to Christ’s instructions to ‘make disciples of all nations’, well, that can always be explained away as saving souls. I am speaking on this topic from personal experience. I was one of them for 20 some years."
Your comment did not specify premillennialism, but you did mention Evangelicalism in the previous paragraph, and not all Evangelicals are premillenialists by any means. So it was not at all clear who you meant by “them” in “I was one of them.”
Hence, I asked for clarification, as indicated by my use of a question mark.
I did look at the two religious categories on your website, Religion and Christian Action Project, and saw some attacks on Jews and Zionism, but nothing about salvation from sin through faith in Christ, or living the Christian life in truth and holiness and love for others. So that also gave me reason to assume you had abandoned Christianity entirely – but I did ask for clarification.
So, I ask you again, what sort of religious faith do you represent? Of course, you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but the Bible says “Always be ready to give an account for the hope that is in you.”
I believe your articles about Judaism are mistaken. Today’s Jews are the direct descendants of Old Testament Jews, with some intermarrying along the way, as is recorded in the Old Testament.
And what took place in 70 AD? God destroyed the Temple, and scattered the Jews abroad in his wrath, as he did in 586 BC. That was not the end of Judaism and don’t know why you think the destruction of the Temple shows that the Jews of today are not really Jews.
As to Jesus not being a Jew but a Judahite, such a distinction is nowhere mentioned in the Bible and hence completely irrelevant when it comes to discussing Christ. It does say that Paul spoke Hebrew (Acts 21:40), and Christ spoke Hebrew when he appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus (Acts 26:14).
There are many forms of evil in America and in the world today that have nothing to do with the Jews. If the Americans have allowed their constitutional republic to be undermined by immorality and secular unbelief, that is not the fault of the Jews.
I didn’t look at your other links carefully. As to “synagogue of Satan,” many false and ungodly Christian churches today are synagogues of Satan, or churches of Satan if you prefer.
Your obsession with Jews has nothing at all to do with scriptural Christianity.
When I started my internet presence 10 years ago, I had only one purpose - to build a library from all that I was reading so that others could use it as a reference source for further research as they found it useful - https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2016/03/what-is-this-blog-archive-all-about-cl.html?m=0
Debating 'he said-she said-pissing contests' on various minutiae was never the plan - I have no interest or the time for it - and I don't spoon feed - DaLimbraw Library is for those who are willing to dig into anything that might challenge their present knowledge and understanding - that's how I learned to accept that my take on any given matter might be untrue - and much of it was.....all of it came from what others had written on their research - it's a process of discovery - and it never ends until our demise.
I have also learned that some observers of human activity have had to divide "humanity into two fundamental classes: those who are capable of learning through information, and those who are not." https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2025/06/the-journey-begins-vox-popoli.html?m=0 - and that's a subject all unto itself.
"I did look at the two religious categories on your website, Religion and Christian Action Project, and saw some attacks on Jews and Zionism, but nothing about salvation from sin through faith in Christ, or living the Christian life in truth and holiness and love for others. So that also gave me reason to assume you had abandoned Christianity entirely – but I did ask for clarification.
You need to worry less about the sinister and evil Zionists and more about what you will say to God on the day of judgment after the resurrection from the dead.
Then the focus will be on us as individuals, what we said and did, not on Zionism and Palestine.
But if you are not interested in discussing the destiny of your immortal soul and would rather obsess about Jews, there is nothing I can do about it.